The future of "Old Joe" remains uncertain. Currently, the Confederate statue stands outside the Alachua County Administration building. (Syama Allard/WUFT News)
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Matheson No Longer An Option For “Old Joe”

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“Old Joe” is staying put, for now.

After months and months of negotiations, Alachua County is no longer considering moving the confederate statue to the Matheson History Museum.

The county initially began discussions with the Matheson to relocate”Old Joe” in January 2016, but the museum eventually declined in October. The county tried again in January 2017, passing a motion to meet with museum board members to discuss the conditions that would allow the statue to be moved to the Matheson.

Executive Director of the Matheson Historical Museum Peggy Macdonald met with county commissioners Tuesday, Feb. 14.

The following Monday the county announced, in a policy meeting, the Matheson was no longer a possible destination for Old Joe.

Ultimately, Macdonald said, the discussion with the county was about placing the statue in the park behind the museum, but the park is actually owned by the city. Macdonald said the museum’s property is actually quite limited outside the museum.  The county would have to transfer the statue to the city.

“The only spots that it could go is right in front of the museum, or in the parking lot, or in the retention pond – that’s clearly not a good option, or in front of the 1987 Matheson House, which would alter the historical character of that property,” Macdonald said.

“When we told the commissioners that on Tuesday night, it was just a whole new wrinkle they hadn’t expected, Macdonald said.

Although Old Joe won’t be moved to the Matheson, the commission passed a motion Tuesday to explore other options for the relocation of the statue.

Macdonald said funding for the statue would be a complicated issue.

“It’s not just paying for the move,” Macdonald said. “There’s paying for the insurance, for liability – covering liability.”

The United Daughters of the Confederacy, the organization that raised the funds for “Old Joe” to be erected in 1904, recently sued in another state when a Confederate statue they had donated was moved, Macdonald said. It’s important the county finds out what the UDC thinks about the possibility of “Old Joe” being relocated.

Nansea Markham Miller, president of Gainesville’s UDC Kirby Smith Chapter No. 202, said she and her chapter want the statue to remain where it is.

I can only speak for my chapter, UDC Kirby Smith 202.  We respect and admire our sisters in service honoring Alachua County Veterans by erecting the monument.  We are patriotic and believe in honoring all Alachua County Veterans.  We respect, support, and are especially grateful for the Alachua County Veterans Advisory Board’s recommendation that the statue should stay where it is.  How Veterans of yesteryear are treated today, signals how today’s Veterans will be treated tomorrow.  God Bless them all!

Virginia Fettes, who has been a member of the UDC since 1974, is also opposed to relocating the historic statue.

“We’re honoring veterans with that statue, and we just don’t want to disrespect any veteran,” Fettes said.

Despite the statue’s uncertain future, the Alachua County Historical Commission, an advisory board to the Alachua County Commission, met Monday Feb. 13, to discuss creating text for a historical plaque that will provide context for “Old Joe.”

The historical commission reached out to University of Florida professors who could provide authoritative input on what would be most appropriate for the plaque to include. One of these professors, Matthew Gallman, agreed to help.

Gallman, professor of history, said the plaque is a good idea as long as it meets some basic standards.

“I think that if you’re going to put up a plaque, it ought to communicate three periods of history, not just the Civil War,” Gallman said.

First, Gallman said, the plaque should explain the Civil War and mention old Gainesville and the status of slavery in Gainesville at that time. Second, it’s important it talks about the history of when the monument went up, which was 1904.

“Why is it that 50 years after the Civil War, Gainesville put up a monument to celebrate Confederate veterans?” Gallman said. “I think we can imagine some reasons.”

Finally, Gallman said, the plaque should convey what’s happening now, so 10 to 20 years from now people can know why the plaque was made and what incited it’s creation, which was a mass shooting in Charleston, South Carolina in 2015 by a man associated with white supremacy and Confederate symbols.

About Syama Allard

Syama Allard is a reporter for WUFT news. He can be reached at 352-256-8749 and at sallard108@ufl.edu

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5 comments

  1. Then tear it down: isn’t there a sinkhole that needs filled? Some gardeners and landscapers that could use the rubble? Or a perfect solution: give it to the fine people at the Repurpose Project!

    Kirby Smith and the DAC, if you are truly “patriotic and believe in honoring all Alachua County Veterans” then you need to renounce the inscription on this Confederate monument and its celebration of slavery. (Inscription reads “They counted the cost and in defense of right they paid the martyr’s price.”)

  2. Leave it alone, and forget to plaque as from what the so called professor said it would be more pc garbage. In fact we know it will not be historically accurate because he said it himself when discussing phase two and the erection of the monument “i think we imagine why” the key words being I think, not facts but supposition and personal beliefs.

  3. For Heavens sake, do you people really have nothing better to do? It is sickening to think that you would actually consider spending all those taxpayer dollars on this pc boloney. Sure could feed a lot of poor people and house a lot of homeless for what it would cost to move a statue. So why do you waste taxpayers money? ” I think we can imagine why.” Politicians trying to make a name for themselves by race baiting.

  4. Let it alone…

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